There is zero evidence that yamnya are proto Indo European, all of the Indo Europeans had r1a not r1b like yamnya, German corded ware, androvono, sintashta, fatyanovo, Indo Iranian, Aryans of India, all were r1a , not r1b like yamnya, so this whole yamnya craze is a obvious agenda to keep the origin from being linked to corded ware cuz of ww2, the most recent DNA evidence from nature communication 2019 and 2020 showed the migrations to India were by the fatyanovo culture and r1a already with European farmers admixture has been found in the stredy stog culture older than the entire yamnya and multiple steppe samples older than 4000 bc have been found, meaning the main migrations were pre yamnya
How it is possible that Russian and Sanskrit are descendants from English and Latin? This has no evidence and it sounds like a pure speculation. Sanskrit is the language used in Vedas (Indian ancient texts/ some 4000 y.o. ). Sanskrit and Old Slavonic are very close languages. Sanskrit is not even native for Indians and used for centuries only for religious purposes . "Veda" - means knowledge even in modern Russian. Latin is not very old language in relation to Sanskrit. The youngest language is English from a family of "Indo-European" languages.
Old Slavonic and Sanskrit have the same grammatical structure and have around 1000 the same words with similar or the same meanings. Each letter in Old Slavonic alphabet has a number and meaning which is a code basically. Even Greek and Hebrew do not have similar code but they have numbers also and meanings for each letter. Latin does not have any of it.
No....Still nothing but lofty speculation riddled with assumptions. There is still no definative way to proove that the stylized decoration on an artifact has any connection with cultural identity. Names like "Yamanaya" and others are fabrications of modern archeology and have no bearing in physical reality. Because of that fact, these artifacts do not "say" anything about the DNA finds and vice versa, or indicate any sort of population movement. There are any number of equally acceptable explanations as to why people in 3rd millennium bc Ukraine share ancestry with those in the rest of Europe that requires no assumption of a migration. Such as that they are one continuous population of indigenous people who have simply adopted the practice of pottery making.
And of course as pointed out, -proto-indo-european is a hypothetical reconstructed language. And there is zero indication, from artifacts or ancient DNA, that this language had any historical correlation with the Pontic-Caspian steppe. That notion is pure pseudoscience.
I am behind listening to the podcasts. But have you read “the horse, the wheel and language?”Very data dense, but nicely catelogues various sites and analysis of what they represent w regards to steppe nomads coming into contact w farmers of “old Europe “and how their various splintering led to the various Indo-European language branches including Anatolian and tocharian, in logical way.
The biggest “left outs” which come to mind: 1) plague 2) metallurgy. Huge factors, right? I’m sure you will get there. What is the relationship between Htittes and Yamanya? The limits of Archaeology are increasingly clear. Linguistics, on the other hand was amazingly predictive of the ADNA. Thanks for your wonderful content.
There's no "Proto-Indo-European" it's a Pan-European Latino-centric pipe dream propped up by freemasons of 19th century, it's a fake hybrid language like Esperanto created by mixing several older equally artificial state languages like Latin and Sanskrit ... based on no clearly understood cultural context and yet it is being pushed as some kind of "truth" and even worse it's being used to judge or revision much older known historical and cultural facts, i bet the European Union is behind it
Also there's virtually no concrete evidence of Yamnaya apart from a bunch of politically-funded genomic institutions claiming baseless unproven theories and never showing any materials to the public, the same genomic institutions who can't tell human blood from pet lizard blood xaxaxaxaxa :)
The facts and recent discoveries on this topic is so interesting it screams for a historical fiction book. The dog soldier and four different burials found thousands of miles apart all sharing the same grandparent or great grandparent have ready-built epic framework. Your (more) recent discussion with Dan Jones about writing historical fiction was fantastic. You two talked about some of the aspects fiction allows and it reminded me of _Godborn_ by Dan Davis.
I really enjoyed listening and reading this 3000 BCE series, especially the action and PIE words, the origin of Heracles or Hercules but in the end I was greatly disappointed. PRIDE is coming up, so now is the time to complain about the gay washing of Hercules. Are straight writers completely oblivious to gay content or afraid to even think about it? Like Ron Howard said about straitening historical characters, 'No one wants to see Russel Crow kissing another dude:' it's not accurate and yells of homophobia.
Maybe in the written record there is evidence of the wider range of human behavior not visible in archeological or genetic research?
In your interview with the author of _The Horse, the wheel and language, you mentioned a close DNA match between men buried thousands of miles apart. Could you direct me to more information on this? How closely where these men related, when and where were they interred?
I've studied Indo-European subjects for a while and one of the most interesting is the Dog Warrior camp.
There is zero evidence that yamnya are proto Indo European, all of the Indo Europeans had r1a not r1b like yamnya, German corded ware, androvono, sintashta, fatyanovo, Indo Iranian, Aryans of India, all were r1a , not r1b like yamnya, so this whole yamnya craze is a obvious agenda to keep the origin from being linked to corded ware cuz of ww2, the most recent DNA evidence from nature communication 2019 and 2020 showed the migrations to India were by the fatyanovo culture and r1a already with European farmers admixture has been found in the stredy stog culture older than the entire yamnya and multiple steppe samples older than 4000 bc have been found, meaning the main migrations were pre yamnya
How it is possible that Russian and Sanskrit are descendants from English and Latin? This has no evidence and it sounds like a pure speculation. Sanskrit is the language used in Vedas (Indian ancient texts/ some 4000 y.o. ). Sanskrit and Old Slavonic are very close languages. Sanskrit is not even native for Indians and used for centuries only for religious purposes . "Veda" - means knowledge even in modern Russian. Latin is not very old language in relation to Sanskrit. The youngest language is English from a family of "Indo-European" languages.
Old Slavonic and Sanskrit have the same grammatical structure and have around 1000 the same words with similar or the same meanings. Each letter in Old Slavonic alphabet has a number and meaning which is a code basically. Even Greek and Hebrew do not have similar code but they have numbers also and meanings for each letter. Latin does not have any of it.
No....Still nothing but lofty speculation riddled with assumptions. There is still no definative way to proove that the stylized decoration on an artifact has any connection with cultural identity. Names like "Yamanaya" and others are fabrications of modern archeology and have no bearing in physical reality. Because of that fact, these artifacts do not "say" anything about the DNA finds and vice versa, or indicate any sort of population movement. There are any number of equally acceptable explanations as to why people in 3rd millennium bc Ukraine share ancestry with those in the rest of Europe that requires no assumption of a migration. Such as that they are one continuous population of indigenous people who have simply adopted the practice of pottery making.
And of course as pointed out, -proto-indo-european is a hypothetical reconstructed language. And there is zero indication, from artifacts or ancient DNA, that this language had any historical correlation with the Pontic-Caspian steppe. That notion is pure pseudoscience.
I am behind listening to the podcasts. But have you read “the horse, the wheel and language?”Very data dense, but nicely catelogues various sites and analysis of what they represent w regards to steppe nomads coming into contact w farmers of “old Europe “and how their various splintering led to the various Indo-European language branches including Anatolian and tocharian, in logical way.
The biggest “left outs” which come to mind: 1) plague 2) metallurgy. Huge factors, right? I’m sure you will get there. What is the relationship between Htittes and Yamanya? The limits of Archaeology are increasingly clear. Linguistics, on the other hand was amazingly predictive of the ADNA. Thanks for your wonderful content.
There's no "Proto-Indo-European" it's a Pan-European Latino-centric pipe dream propped up by freemasons of 19th century, it's a fake hybrid language like Esperanto created by mixing several older equally artificial state languages like Latin and Sanskrit ... based on no clearly understood cultural context and yet it is being pushed as some kind of "truth" and even worse it's being used to judge or revision much older known historical and cultural facts, i bet the European Union is behind it
Also there's virtually no concrete evidence of Yamnaya apart from a bunch of politically-funded genomic institutions claiming baseless unproven theories and never showing any materials to the public, the same genomic institutions who can't tell human blood from pet lizard blood xaxaxaxaxa :)
The facts and recent discoveries on this topic is so interesting it screams for a historical fiction book. The dog soldier and four different burials found thousands of miles apart all sharing the same grandparent or great grandparent have ready-built epic framework. Your (more) recent discussion with Dan Jones about writing historical fiction was fantastic. You two talked about some of the aspects fiction allows and it reminded me of _Godborn_ by Dan Davis.
I really enjoyed listening and reading this 3000 BCE series, especially the action and PIE words, the origin of Heracles or Hercules but in the end I was greatly disappointed. PRIDE is coming up, so now is the time to complain about the gay washing of Hercules. Are straight writers completely oblivious to gay content or afraid to even think about it? Like Ron Howard said about straitening historical characters, 'No one wants to see Russel Crow kissing another dude:' it's not accurate and yells of homophobia.
Maybe in the written record there is evidence of the wider range of human behavior not visible in archeological or genetic research?
A really clear eyed and refreshing appraisal of the historiograpgy of the whole steppe migrations without using the term "translocality". Well done!
Hi, Good article, I just want to know one thing: Were the Yamnaya Indo-European or were they a mix of Indo-Europeans and some other race of people?
Re: David Anthony
In your interview with the author of _The Horse, the wheel and language, you mentioned a close DNA match between men buried thousands of miles apart. Could you direct me to more information on this? How closely where these men related, when and where were they interred?
I've studied Indo-European subjects for a while and one of the most interesting is the Dog Warrior camp.
Will you publish information on interview with Michael Clarke?